Posts by problemaddict 2

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We are like pet dogs that run off with wild dogs...

by dubstepped in

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...and need a bullet to the head.

my wife found a post on instagram where some jw nutter claims that either lett or morris said this in a talk.

any confirmation or video of such?

problemaddict 2

I have seen nothing of the sort. Probably anecdotal......although something similar probably would come out of his mouth with ease.

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Cart work - picture speaks for itself

by doubtfull1799 in

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Cart witnessing is a joke. It is so easy to "get your time in" now its pathetic. Pioneer hours are 50. "campaigns" of handing out tracts let even the most pathetically ignorant of scripture individual run around grabbing hours and auxillary pioneering. Its just a way to coax people into "staying busy" in Jehovahs organization.

These carts are a complete joke. In the busiest places.....I could be around them for a couple hours, with 2-3 people maning them.......with not one single person approaching.

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I remember my Grandfather who was a CO saying;

by dogon in

i was thinking of my co grandfather who passed on a few years ago.

his wife my grandmother passed on in 99. i can remember him saying "i know after armageddon i can not be married to her but maybe we can live next to each other.

not sure where the cult stands on this issue today.

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Ah yes. This old thing. Well I heard about the genital thing too. I mean.....who needs those filthy old genitals if you aren't going to be screwing people right? Of course that sucks, especially while other people are doing it. Also your wife remarried and now they live up the way. But......doesn't bother you. You just look down at your Ken doll smoothness and think how much easier it is to walk around and buy underwear. Also, Jehovah magically made you ok with this scenario. Of course, when did anyone perfect screw up in the bible over something trivial anyways. I think this is pretty sound.

*** The no genital thing wasn't an official teaching, and now this whole thing is a shoulder shrug of a doctrine.

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Dr. Axel Hofmann on Patient Blood Management

by TheWonderofYou in

https://www.rotem.de/content/expert-interview-on-patient-blood-management/.

https://www.rotem.de/en/.

6/13/17 - dr. axel hofmann is an international expert in the field of patient blood management (pbm) and was one of the key figures responsiblefor the implementation of the statewide pbm program for thegovernment of western australia.

problemaddict 2

Trying to make us bleed less. I can dig it.

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I Just Heard a Birthday Song...

by Saename in

so i'm sitting in public area, reading the end of faith (it's pretty clear sam harris is making a case against faith and not some generalized version of islam, so i don't get all those misplaced objections...), and i just heard a group of people sing a birthday song.. i was surprised.

but not because someone was singing a birthday song.

i was surprised because of my reaction.. i wish i could say my reaction was normal, but it wasn't.

problemaddict 2

Ugh....all of the above. I celbrate my kids birthday.....and feel "dirty" for lack of a better term. My wife did something for my 34th, and it was weird feeling (fun.....but weird).

Anything patriotism related I feel odd. I feel against the military for some reason, which is a bit silly.

More than anything, as an adult I deal with strange issues of feeling embarrassed or shame. Over next to nothing mind you. I think its because if I lied, messed around with a girl, swore, or pretended I was normal in school and took a valentine, I felt Jehovah was disappointed and possibly gong to kill me. So dread and shame were a constant.

I know better. i reason myself out of it. Even when i feel it i am aware of why......but its still there in the background.

Crazy.

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What did NOT get you out?

by problemaddict 2 in

i realize this is odd, but a "how you woke up" thread and the personal stories that are told which i know we all enjoy, made me think of this.

in helping my wife and a couple others get the ball rolling, i realized the thing that resonated with me, didn't even move the needle with them.

i wanted to rail on and on about blood, because that was my conduit to waking up, but for my wife it was about shunning.

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Outlaw - Is that a real WT photo? I honestly don't remember that one. How paranoid can you get!

Phizzy - So many leave later in life. Are we doomed to leave only when we are despondent and have nothing left to give the org? Feeling betrayed? Or can we (meaning others) wake up in their 20's and early 30's....still with a life to be had ahead of them! Think.......so many of the things we would have had as potential issues (Mexico/Malawai, 1975, etc...), won't even be on the radar of the kids turning 20 now. they will have never heard of it. Its all about "russian ban".

Stillin - So you can't point to what it is that made you start actual research eh? I get that. People locally think that elders stumbled me out. Its a bit insulting, but since I am not disfellowshipped, and freely associate as i chose, that really is best for some people to assume. Assume I'm weak, since you once envisioned me strong. that way is solves the question.....well if problemaddict left, I wonder why?

Poebe - Thanks for that. I totally get you. Your "brick" was basically a feeling that kept you safe....being ripped out. there is so much contradictory information from the branch, its staggering. You should read "scratchme's" response on page 1. I think it applies to you specifically and was well written.

mentalclarity - I wish I could say I didn't buy it. I was young at the time of the Revelation book, but I totally bought it. 7 trumpets...and there were 7 conventions!? That totally makes sense! Haha. Thats why they get them when they're young and stupid. Before those satanists at school teach critical thinking.

Stephanie - Wow thanks for sharing all of that. So many peoples justifications for things are the same. Blood didn't bother you, but it was my first "loose brick" in my mind that helped me see to the other side. Shunning, like some others, didn't move the needle for me, but for my wife.....it was paramount. Taking a stand against "independent research" was another. During my "exit interview" as I call it since I stopped being a servant and changed halls to fade, 5 count them FIVE elders had a meeting with me, and they brought out the ministry school article about independent study groups critiquing or studying the NWT. I told myself I would not speak during the meeting (they were baiting me.......that was the entire purpose)....but I asked.....guys why are we reading this article. I have no affiliation or knowledge of any such group. Are you just trying to paint a picture of my character to the new brothers that doesn't coalesce with the truth? How stupid do you think they and I are?" They asked me to hold my comments until the end. At the end, the 3 guys from my old hall I looked at and said you guys suck, and don't qualify to have a puppy much less shepherd the congregation. My letters on you guy are on file at the branch, so you better not screw up. (one has been removed since)

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What did NOT get you out?

by problemaddict 2 in

i realize this is odd, but a "how you woke up" thread and the personal stories that are told which i know we all enjoy, made me think of this.

in helping my wife and a couple others get the ball rolling, i realized the thing that resonated with me, didn't even move the needle with them.

i wanted to rail on and on about blood, because that was my conduit to waking up, but for my wife it was about shunning.

problemaddict 2

I plan on responding to the rest of you. This really is sort of a big subject for me right now, so I appreciate the time in giving me your guys thoughts.

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What did NOT get you out?

by problemaddict 2 in

i realize this is odd, but a "how you woke up" thread and the personal stories that are told which i know we all enjoy, made me think of this.

in helping my wife and a couple others get the ball rolling, i realized the thing that resonated with me, didn't even move the needle with them.

i wanted to rail on and on about blood, because that was my conduit to waking up, but for my wife it was about shunning.

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llama - Wheres the link. I would love to hear it.

joe - join the club my man. We have many members. ha.

trying now - not hard to believe. What matters is now. I knew it was BS and stayed in 5 more years trying to affect change when all I was doing was torturing myself.

Magnus - My anecdotal observation is that many leave specifically because of treatment from the elders. Or I should say, that treatment opens up their mind to the idea that Holy Spirit isn't running the show (the first brick for them).

Dreamerdude - You think he has PTSD? I don't know. I think he is just an arrogant asshole, unqualified to be in the position he occupies. A sibling disfellowshipped while very young is a killer. It really lights up our inate concept of fairness.

OTWO - You see, and a couple of those really got me. Its so individual. Part of the reason i am asking this, is because I am trying to discern what approach to take with those who I still talk to, that won't set off the wrong flags, and will maybe loosen the brick.

Wanton - Child abuse didn't do it for me either (it makes me angry now of course). Abusive elders seems to be the winner for many people here.

Tor - Thanks for sharing that. So can i ask, the thing that brought you to the internet and got you to think, was the general lack of charity? Or a narrow viewpoint? Just making sure I understand that correctly.

Oppostate - I was like most of JW's. thought it was a lie, and that it didn't mean anything. Honestly, I still don't really know the deal.

Shnufti - Me either. None of those things resonated at the time of my awakening.

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(Not so) Subliminal Shave Your Beard Message

by Funchback in

i'm in the middle of dissecting the june 2017 jw broadcasting video.. in the first minute, they summarize a story about a guy who apparently was a one-time bad ass (showed a picture of him with a beard while posing on a chopper).

then, they show him shaving at the exact same moment the narrator is saying how he regained "a clean conscience".. this no-beard obsession by the jws is beyond nuts.. .

problemaddict 2

Wait......someone in my old hall told me beards are cool now, and he sports one IN THE HALL. Based off a recent WT. So i thought there was a bit of a loosening here no?

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What did NOT get you out?

by problemaddict 2 in

i realize this is odd, but a "how you woke up" thread and the personal stories that are told which i know we all enjoy, made me think of this.

in helping my wife and a couple others get the ball rolling, i realized the thing that resonated with me, didn't even move the needle with them.

i wanted to rail on and on about blood, because that was my conduit to waking up, but for my wife it was about shunning.

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jp1692 - That is an interesting perspective. That the relative "perfection" the WT expects makes us hypersensitive to the faults within said org. I sometimes thing it ALL bugged me as well, but that is from the perspective now of someone aware they were duped. So maybe it didn't.......if that makes sense.

Anony - Its never just one thing (we have so many to choose from, its like the salad bar of the deplorable). BUT, it seems like one thing usually lowers guard to the point one is willing to "think" for the first time. Some brush it off, some use their power of reason.

Freemind - UN didn't do a thing for me. But jp1692 said that was it for him. I guess that is what I mean. I now see the hypocrisy in the UN situation, but it isn't even in my arsenal of discussion when I can actually get a few of these things through some conversation when their guard is down.

Sparrowdown - Good point. Its why i refuse to be disfellowshipped. People have asked me questions and reached out to me, where I think they would not have if I was DF'd, just because of the psychological barrier.

Chook - Me neither. I actually miss the elders that i grew up with. I am sure they feel the same at the root.

Ucant - Do you mind if I ask what that 1 thing was?

SBF - But everything else eh? Haha.

Scratchme - Thanks for that detailed response. I read it a couple of times. It makes perfect sense. However I would add one thing that might not fit simply into that. I was a "born in". So there was no point of refference for how the org made me feel. It was just everyday life. While I wasn't affected by items I mentioned (and in part due to the explanation you offered), I didn't stop entertaining them. I was a JW apologist on line for a few years. Pretty active too. In the end, blood just was too much of a foundational "brick" for me to keep the structural integrity of my mental wall in tact. then I was open to other things I hadn't seen before.

I am still rubbed wrong by aggressive activism and yelling at convention goers on you tube, and I still don't think arguing Christian doctrine vs JW doctrine works. Yet the people I assisted out.....none of them felt the same way about blood (even though now they see it). That wasn't their "thing".